Palmeiro: Hall of Fame has no credibility without Clemens, Bonds

Before Friday afternoon’s 40th Anniversary luncheon, Rafael Palmeiro said that he believes Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, who are each eligible to be voted in the Hall of Fame for the first time this year, should be inducted.

Like Palmeiro, Bonds and Clemens have faced allegations of using performance-enhancing drugs during their careers. One of four players in Major League history with 500 home runs and 3,000 hits during their career, Palmeiro was voted in by fans as a member of the Rangers’ 40th Anniversary All-Time Team at first base and designated hitter.

“It’s going to be interesting but you’re talking about, in my opinion, probably the best pitcher of all-time and the greatest player of all-time,” Palmeiro said. “Keep them out and the Hall of Fame has no credibility. We’re talking a different level of player. Clemens and Bonds, 10 years before they retied they were the best player in the game. Clemens has seven Cy Youngs and MVPs, Bonds has the same thing. These guys dominated the game before anything was mentioned about anything. It’s going to be interesting but we’ll see. I don’t know if they’re going to get in or not but I’m sure they’re going to say the same thing. They didn’t play for the Hall of Fame. They played the game as kids, it was their career, it was their living for the families.”

-Christian Corona


one druggie vouching for two other druggies – Yeah, sure Palmeiro!

You’re one to be talking about credibility, Rafi.

First, Roger Clemens is no Nolan Ryan and Bobby Bonds is no Willie Mays. Raffy’s assessment of who is the best is a bit skewed, but he is entitled to his opinion. Next, “they played the game as kids, it was their career, it was their living for their families”. There you have every reason to use whatever means necessary to make as much money as possible. I think that says it all about their attitudes and Raffy’s putting themselves before the game itself. In my opinion, THAT is what separates the good from the great. It is completely awful that a cloud hangs over Raffy’s career that prevents us from celebrating him like we can with those players who are in the Rangers Hall of Fame. He may have made peace with it, but there is a generation of fans hurt by it and he will go down as an anomaly in Rangers’ baseball history. Sad to think of what might have been.

Sure Raffi, Let me guess, immediatley after Clemons and Bond’s induction the natural thing to do would be to induct Raffi ? having lowered the standard for inclusion into this sacred fraternity to include those who had no respect the legacy of the Great game and of all the great men who came before them, Men who made the Game and the Baseball Hall of fame the great institution that it is today. Personally I so NO Raffi, you made a decision concerning which path you would take in your Career, I understand your reasons behind the decisions you’ve made,
However its time for you to realize the fact that there are consequences for our actions which cannot simply be set aside in the event that things don’t go according to our diabolical plans, when I think of Barry Bonds,Roger Clemons,Ruben Sierra,Jaun Gonzales and Rafeal Palmeiro I think of guys like Roy Smalley, Charlie Hough and Toby Harrah, guys who could have made the same career choices and increased their statistical numbers but chose to play the game the right way.
Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, in my opinion someone has to protect the integrity of this great institution which Bonds, Clemons,Rose and Palmeiro among others chose not to respect but now desperatley want to be included in its hall of fame, along side the men who made the game so great

I so no Raffi !

It is completely unfair to assume players from the non-steroid era would have chosen not to cheat. Cheating has always been a part of baseball and even Willie Mays has admitted he took “supplements” that he had no idea what they were. There was not a player from the 70’s and 80’s that did not take “greenies” before games. Every player should be viewed in context to the time they played. It is very evident that a large portoin of the players from the 90’s took steroids, not just the few named here. Do Clemens, Bonds, and Raffi belong in the Hall? They were dominant players over a long period of time during which fans, owners, and the media turned a blind eye to the obvious steroid problem thereby implicitly allowing the steroid era to happen. They all belong in the Hall. If there were no cheaters in the Hall of Fame, that would be a very sparse place

“Keep them out and the Hall has no credibility” said the man who lied to congress and baseball fans, while under oath. Intelligence is not Rafael’s strength. And the people who defend selfish idiots like him, Bonds, Clemens, etc, have absolutely no context of the span of men who preceded them, like Mathewson, Wagner, Hornsby, Foxx, Musial, Aaron, Gibson, Yaz, Carew, and the list goes on. I would challenge anyone to read and study the lives and accomplishments of Ted Williams and Roberto Clemente alone and then tell me if Bonds or Clemens measure up as players and men of character. It’s not even close.

For every example of great men in the Hall of Fame, there are also members like Ty Cobb, Gaylord Perry, Babe Ruth, and Mickey Mantle, who were not exactly known to be saints. The Hall of Fame is not a center of morality. Bonds, Clemens, and Palmeiro have all in some way given back to the community.

Morals and character are two different things. The Babe was an orphan who had the character to rise through hardship to dominate as a pitcher and then revolutionize the game as a hitter. Alcohol, hookers, and a diet of hot dogs certainly didn’t help him hit more HR’s. Mantle’s primary fault is that he didn’t live up to his potential because of alcohol and it certainly didn’t elevate his numbers or chances of the Yankees winning more often.
Bonds, on the other hand, didn’t let his natural numbers speak for what would have been a pretty good career, similar to maybe Dave Winfield or even Mel Ott. Instead like Clemens and Palmeiro, greed, self-indulgence, and vast insecurity led him to step over players who didn’t take steroids, all while putting on fraudulent performances that inflated ticket prices and his salary, forever tainting the record books and rightful statistical positions of other players in or out of the Hall of Fame. If there IS fault with the Hall of Fame, then membership should be elevated from this point forward, not managed down to accommodate baseball heretics like Bonds or Palmeiro, who have no redeeming value, in what they did to the game or in character.

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